<![CDATA[it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance]]>it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

]]>https://forum.other.li/topic/227a0807-cc85-4a9c-ad86-0cf31a92d9b7/it-s-possible-that-one-day-windows-might-catch-up-to-linux-in-gaming-performanceRSS for NodeThu, 30 Apr 2026 02:37:30 GMTWed, 29 Apr 2026 10:39:38 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:42:56 GMT]]>@DarcMoughty @davidgerard
They're a hacked about BSD clone anyway. It's like they don't *want* friends

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://retro.pizza/users/bloognoo/statuses/116489465138398033https://forum.other.li/post/https://retro.pizza/users/bloognoo/statuses/116489465138398033Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:42:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:37:11 GMT]]>@bloognoo @davidgerard I like it. Maybe we can start with baby steps... Direct3D should just be part of Mesa, and the Windows kernel adopts KMS and DRM for the drivers. That makes Apple the weirdo on the block.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/DarcMoughty/statuses/116489442498026111https://forum.other.li/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/DarcMoughty/statuses/116489442498026111Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:37:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:17:08 GMT]]>@DarcMoughty @davidgerard
I think they should make the executable annd library system a linux kernel module and create a dm that looks like windows 7. It'll save them all that worry about being crap for games

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://retro.pizza/users/bloognoo/statuses/116489363701912794https://forum.other.li/post/https://retro.pizza/users/bloognoo/statuses/116489363701912794Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:17:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 17:51:02 GMT]]>@dickon @davidgerard (It's actually a translation layer, not emulation)

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/indigoviolet/statuses/116489261071784214https://forum.other.li/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/indigoviolet/statuses/116489261071784214Wed, 29 Apr 2026 17:51:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 17:36:28 GMT]]>@froge @davidgerard Some games even have less glitches when run through the translation layer, which is immensely funny to me

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/indigoviolet/statuses/116489203775888369https://forum.other.li/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/indigoviolet/statuses/116489203775888369Wed, 29 Apr 2026 17:36:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 17:19:27 GMT]]>@davidgerard @Guillotine_Jones They didn’t just burn bridges, they nuked the entire landmass.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://beige.party/users/DarkAthena/statuses/116489136868118348https://forum.other.li/post/https://beige.party/users/DarkAthena/statuses/116489136868118348Wed, 29 Apr 2026 17:19:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:50:52 GMT]]>@david_chisnall @dukeboitans @rootwyrm yeah, this is why I first messed with Wine on Windows in WSL. The prize was running 16-bit Windows apps on 64-bit Windows 10.

If 16-bit apps still run on Wine on 64-bit WSL2, then you should be able to do the same thing there. Encarta 97 rides again!

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116489024480916780https://forum.other.li/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116489024480916780Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:50:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:33:54 GMT]]>@davidgerard they can just prompt Copilot to make Windows run better.
Checkmate, Linux!

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Nicovel0/statuses/116488957770693132https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Nicovel0/statuses/116488957770693132Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:33:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:12:58 GMT]]>@davidgerard Nice they understand the issue on a technical level, but generally: Whatever OS could run twice as fast as Linux and I still wouldn't consider switching for as long as the company maintaining it is such a shitshow.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/endolexi/statuses/116488875444561452https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/endolexi/statuses/116488875444561452Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:12:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 15:01:16 GMT]]>@moses_izumi @davidgerard I was excited when it first came out cos it looked nicer to me visually. Then I saw the new right click menu. It then went downhill from there...

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://sunny.garden/ap/users/115551004928089287/statuses/116488593506555193https://forum.other.li/post/https://sunny.garden/ap/users/115551004928089287/statuses/116488593506555193Wed, 29 Apr 2026 15:01:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:53:36 GMT]]>@dickon @davidgerard how the turntables

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.social/users/utf_7/statuses/116488563381697397https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.social/users/utf_7/statuses/116488563381697397Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:53:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:49:28 GMT]]>@davidgerard

LMAO, 🤣

Save microsoft or any other bully corporation who over-thew the Peoples Gov, should never, ever, happen.

Eat the bully rich arseholes! Make them pay! on so many levels or scales.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115702112984844907/statuses/116488547113462904https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115702112984844907/statuses/116488547113462904Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:49:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:42:53 GMT]]>@davidgerard LOL, also LMAO

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/dysfun/statuses/116488521218563300https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/dysfun/statuses/116488521218563300Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:42:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:41:12 GMT]]>@davidgerard@circumstances.run I have been saying for years that a lot (not all, but a lot) of AAA windows games run better on wine/proton, but especially lately I've noticed some things like 1% frame times and graphics stutter being better on linux, which makes the games feel nicer too lol

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.glitched.systems/notes/alnq8sj0m5in0024https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.glitched.systems/notes/alnq8sj0m5in0024Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:41:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:30:41 GMT]]>@dukeboitans @rootwyrm @davidgerard

There's also the note below:

NTVDM is a Feature on Demand and only supported on the x86 version of Windows. It is not supported on x64 and ARM versions of Windows, which do not support 16-bit x86 code of any kind, including DOS programs.

Note that the first use of x86 is Windows terminology, meaning x86-32, the second means x86. The middle one where they say x64 means x86-64.

As I recall, this was because there's no mechanism to jump to 16-bit mode from long mode on x86. There are some ways of making it work, but they're very clunky. And, given how fast DOSBox is on modern hardware, it's usually simpler to run Win16 in an emulator than try.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/david_chisnall/statuses/116488473228846744https://forum.other.li/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/david_chisnall/statuses/116488473228846744Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:30:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:29:18 GMT]]>@davidgerard

As long as Microsoft ties itself to fossil fuel funded AI, no thanks.
https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

https://news.microsoft.com/source/emea/2026/02/microsoft-accelerates-ai-skilling-in-saudi-arabia-helping-3-million-people-acquire-ai-skills-by-2030/

https://datacentremagazine.com/news/when-will-microsoft-saudi-data-centre-region-go-live

Aligning themselves with fascists like Larry Ellison, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel &

Fund a Fascist & Find Out.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/microsoft-market-cap-earnings.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html

They deserve their consequences, they've earned them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/13/technology/amazon-google-persian-gulf-war.html

https://www.fool.com/investing/2026/04/23/why-oracle-stock-just-dropped/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm296jzzl9yo

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Npars01/statuses/116488467838282303https://forum.other.li/post/https://mstdn.social/users/Npars01/statuses/116488467838282303Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:29:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:23:02 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @david_chisnall @davidgerard It's right at the start: "for all IA-32 editions of the Windows NT family (not included with 64-bit versions of the OS)." I don't know what sorcery is required to make it run on Win 11, but whatever it is it's not official, I don't think it can be considered as a promise of any kind. I think it's time to drop this mythological backward compatibility.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mas.to/users/dukeboitans/statuses/116488443195089868https://forum.other.li/post/https://mas.to/users/dukeboitans/statuses/116488443195089868Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:23:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:16:36 GMT]]>@dukeboitans @david_chisnall @davidgerard that's the official policy; nothing that old is "officially" supported. But like all things with Microsoft, enough money changes it.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/ntvdm-and-16-bit-app-support

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://weird.autos/users/rootwyrm/statuses/116488417891337792https://forum.other.li/post/https://weird.autos/users/rootwyrm/statuses/116488417891337792Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:16:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:09:46 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @david_chisnall @davidgerard idk, at microsoft they don't seem to know this, you tell them. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-client/application-management/x64-windows-not-support-16-bit-programs

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mas.to/users/dukeboitans/statuses/116488390997962265https://forum.other.li/post/https://mas.to/users/dukeboitans/statuses/116488390997962265Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:09:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:01:09 GMT]]>@davidgerard It's actually funnier than that: it isn't 'Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance', it's 'Windows might catch up to Linux *running Windows games, pretending to be Windows* in gaming performance'.

It says a lot when emulating something is quicker than running the thing natively.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://splodge.fluff.org/users/dickon/statuses/116488357092475739https://forum.other.li/post/https://splodge.fluff.org/users/dickon/statuses/116488357092475739Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:01:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:58:02 GMT]]>@dukeboitans @david_chisnall @davidgerard oh, no, that's just flat out wrong. The old 16-bit stuff still works more or less perfectly with the compatibility shims. That's what NTVDM is for. It's why OTVDM is a thing and works even though it's "obsolete" technology.

It's impressive and terrifying at the same time. Especially when you consider that in theory, you can in-place upgrade from Windows 3.11 all the way to 11.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://weird.autos/users/rootwyrm/statuses/116488344865868154https://forum.other.li/post/https://weird.autos/users/rootwyrm/statuses/116488344865868154Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:58:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:49:16 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @david_chisnall @davidgerard Win 3 (16-bit) applications don't work on Win 11 anyway. For all the rest of legacy applications (from Win 2000 to Win 10) they can always ask Copilot to vibe code something like WINE for them, assuming it's not busy converting all C++ code to Rust.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mas.to/users/dukeboitans/statuses/116488310394869523https://forum.other.li/post/https://mas.to/users/dukeboitans/statuses/116488310394869523Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:49:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:32:52 GMT]]>@bloognoo @davidgerard In the last few years, they managed to make Calculator, Notepad, and the Taskbar feel unreliable and janky. I don't think they know what 'quality' is, so it's hard to imagine that they can achieve it.

IMO, Windows is long overdue for a deep refactor. Keep the kernel, but break-up the various runtimes for different eras of the OS into immutable and separated blobs, and then run apps on those. I don't mind waiting a few seconds for legacy apps to fire-up a legacy runtime if it means my system won't consume 11GB RAM just to get to a desktop.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/DarcMoughty/statuses/116488245888678601https://forum.other.li/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/DarcMoughty/statuses/116488245888678601Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:32:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance on Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:29:36 GMT]]>@david_chisnall @davidgerard backwards compatibility is very much a sacred cow when it comes to Windows. There are huge customers that can move the revenue needle, who still need OLE32. There are thousands of applications that are still in use that need OLE32.

And they've always essentially promised that things will always be backwards compatible. If it worked on Windows 3.11, then it will basically keep working, forever. Which is no small feat to begin with.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://weird.autos/users/rootwyrm/statuses/116488233088438525https://forum.other.li/post/https://weird.autos/users/rootwyrm/statuses/116488233088438525Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:29:36 GMT