<![CDATA[There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments.]]>There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. (Yeah, I know …)

I’m going to write here my thoughts on a general impression of the comment thread as a whole. (Rather than respond to individuals.)

]]>https://forum.other.li/topic/414638f0-ec4b-48c0-8c23-598c170f2de3/there-was-an-article-about-moving-to-codeberg-on-the-orange-website-yesterday-and-out-of-interest-to-get-an-impression-of-what-average-programmers-think-of-the-idea-of-moving-i-took-at-look-at-the-comments.RSS for NodeThu, 23 Apr 2026 08:27:43 GMTFri, 27 Mar 2026 17:34:56 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:56:55 GMT]]>@chrysn @dpk
I'm just one guy, not a corporation or at least association, I can't afford legal issues like that 😕

(of course a very German problem, in other countries you could probably react to a C&D by taking down the repo in question without having to pay anyone anything. Also not optimal esp. if the claims are dubious, but much smaller risk)

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116303135753873772https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116303135753873772Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:56:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:55:10 GMT]]>@chrysn @dpk
A completely different thing is: I have thought about hosting a Forgejo instance myself for source ports, open source games and such. Not a private instance, but much smaller scale than Codeberg.

But as I live in Germany I fear that I'll have to pay for cease-and-desist orders (Abmahnung) in case someone feels their rights violated by reverse-engineered reimplementations of their games or whatever...

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116303128868214828https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116303128868214828Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:55:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:48:07 GMT]]>@chrysn @dpk
TBH the pain level is pretty high already.
All those posts hidden behind "Load more…" buttons in longer issues or PR discussions really annoy me - especially in combination with that idiotic "images become invalid after 5 minutes" issue (WTF) and often poor general performance

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116303101115905563https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116303101115905563Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:48:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:44:37 GMT]]>@Doomed_Daniel @dpk Windows and MacOS builders are the reason why a single project of mine is staying at GitHub: In a sense, they pay for my project's presence with the capability of building binary wheels for all platforms.
Kind of an OK deal as long as they don't raise my pain level too far, especially as currently I don't know any platform to which I could go for that.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/chrysn/statuses/116303087352512126https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/chrysn/statuses/116303087352512126Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:44:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:39:54 GMT]]>@dpk thank you for the write up!

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://narrativ.es/users/janl/statuses/116303068808322594https://forum.other.li/post/https://narrativ.es/users/janl/statuses/116303068808322594Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:39:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:24:13 GMT]]>@dpk Thank you for sharing your thoughts here. I love the way how Codeberg is run and as a user I am absolutely happy and grateful for this service. I would not be able time-wise to self-host my forge. Thank you again!

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://indieweb.social/users/oliverschwarz/statuses/116303007170426202https://forum.other.li/post/https://indieweb.social/users/oliverschwarz/statuses/116303007170426202Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:24:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:11:17 GMT]]>@dpk
(To be clear, I don't assume that "just adding a button" is all that needs to be done to make this work, it's just the user-facing thing that would be different vs existing PRs - in addition to specifying git URL + branch name instead of selecting it from a list. When talking about this potential feature people always pointed out that it can't work because Forgejo doesn't know when you push on the remote server and.. yes, but that's not a big issue, just let users update with a button)

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116302956309221316https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116302956309221316Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:11:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:08:15 GMT]]>@dpk
CI is definitely a big reason for GH.
Especially (free) builds on/for macOS are something I couldn't setup myself (at reasonable cost).

Another problem is that even third-party CI hosters like CircleCI or CirrusCI or Travis AFAIK don't work with Codeberg (or Forgejo in general). Obviously that's not Codebergs/Forgejos fault, but it's something that so far has kept me at Github 😕

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116302944367110542https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116302944367110542Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:08:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:05:17 GMT]]>@dpk
For me, full federation would be the killer feature: A couple of years ago all research institutions started hosting their GitLab server. Yet we see bigger software collaborations mainly hosted on GitHub. Simply because working across sites is virtually impossible (accounts and all that). There are other aspects, of course. Still, I consider this a major technical one. Plus CI compatibility.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://fediscience.org/users/rupdecat/statuses/116302932701601176https://forum.other.li/post/https://fediscience.org/users/rupdecat/statuses/116302932701601176Fri, 27 Mar 2026 20:05:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:52:22 GMT]]>@dpk Haven't used other than for accessing other source code for months now, and the current event gave me the push to delete both the @interpeer org and my personal profile.

They need you more than you need them.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.finkhaeuser.de/users/jens/statuses/116302881892602185https://forum.other.li/post/https://social.finkhaeuser.de/users/jens/statuses/116302881892602185Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:52:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:42:45 GMT]]>@dpk This is something I've been dreaming of, I'm glad to see you're thinking about it already.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://merveilles.town/users/electret/statuses/116302844072436703https://forum.other.li/post/https://merveilles.town/users/electret/statuses/116302844072436703Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:42:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:18:11 GMT]]>@dpk
One thing that would IMHO help for federation without full support would be to allow creating pull requests from any public Git repo.
I *think* it shouldn't be super hard?
Might require an "Update" button to pull in new changes (vs the local ones where pushed changes update the PR automatically), but otherwise I think it could work quite well and, together with the SSO you mentioned, be a very good start until full federation support is done

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116302747484679169https://forum.other.li/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/Doomed_Daniel/statuses/116302747484679169Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:18:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:15:03 GMT]]>@dpk would the option that e.g. signal and mozzila take work, with a private enterprise managing the paid products fully owned by a nonprofit?

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://solarpunk.moe/users/mossfet/statuses/116302735186792895https://forum.other.li/post/https://solarpunk.moe/users/mossfet/statuses/116302735186792895Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:15:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:13:28 GMT]]>@dpk yesss

my biggest problem with the present code forge situation is that you have an unfortunately very binary option of "have a totally centralised ecosystem" and "have 30000 different forgejo instances that clog up my password manager"

i have i think 6 code forge accounts. i do not want or need 6 code forge accounts.

federation or even just SSO would be such a boon for this

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://solarpunk.moe/users/mossfet/statuses/116302728973301900https://forum.other.li/post/https://solarpunk.moe/users/mossfet/statuses/116302728973301900Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:13:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:01:19 GMT]]>@codecat @dpk We're always looking for new contributors. 😅

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/n0toose/statuses/116302681208827437https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/n0toose/statuses/116302681208827437Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:01:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:59:08 GMT]]>@n0toose @dpk I'll have to take a look at some documentation. Thanks for all the work you guys are putting in!

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://meow.social/users/codecat/statuses/116302672586591791https://forum.other.li/post/https://meow.social/users/codecat/statuses/116302672586591791Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:59:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:58:14 GMT]]>@dpk @codecat I can't answer on plans, but in theory this is currently already a configuration option that can be toggled. (Don't recommend that, though, see Forgejo's FAQ – authored by yours truly.)

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/n0toose/statuses/116302669075504343https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/n0toose/statuses/116302669075504343Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:58:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:56:49 GMT]]>@codecat I don’t foresee any problems there, but I‘m not deep in the technical issues of federation. Perhaps @n0toose could say more, although I suspect that sort of thing is still a way down the development roadmap

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302663503301956https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302663503301956Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:56:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:50:43 GMT]]>Moderatorially speaking, we tend to regard accounts with *only* private repos as a red flag (and such people who have accounts like that are usually rejected as active/voting members if they apply). But they’re allowed as long as their size remains reasonable.

The rules are there because unfortunately, we do see blatant abuse of our resources (like people uploading their whole home directory to a private repo as a personal backup).

I think we should work on making our rules about this clearer!

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302639502775489https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302639502775489Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:50:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:48:00 GMT]]>Something else I saw is that our messaging on what private repositories can be used for with us is not clear enough.

To take the opportunity to clarify here:

• Private repositories are absolutely allowed, but subject to rules, just like public repositories are subject to rules
• Using a private repository for a software project that you’re not yet ready to release publically is absolutely okay
• Using a private repository for personal software you wrote for your own use only is absolutely okay

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302628815395230https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302628815395230Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:48:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:37:41 GMT]]>(Also, I will at this point plead size. Our small infra team is frequently overworked to the point that I’m often concerned about the effect on their personal health. Again, please become a member and get involved)

(Furthermore, this thread reflects only my own views and not those of the remainder of the Codeberg presidium, board – nor (most importantly) does it reflect the views of the members of Codeberg as a whole, who ultimately make the decisions.)

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302588231160825https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302588231160825Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:37:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:36:01 GMT]]>Some other people were concerned about our uptime in comparison to GitHub. Fortunately, GitHub has recently been taking care of that concern for us 😅

My personal feeling, as a user, is that Codeberg’s uptime is acceptable for what the site provides. If you are seriously messed up by your forge maybe being down for an hour or two a week, don’t use Codeberg: self-host!

Fortunately, as a FOSS site, the chance of anything as important as a ‘profit margin’ depending on our uptime is very low 🙂

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302581714706445https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302581714706445Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:36:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:30:18 GMT]]>In general, I think Codeberg stands for a future in which people are a lot more suspicious of free goodies given to the FOSS community by for-profit companies.

But it also stands for a world in which self-hosting is not the only practical alternative to the present situation. We stand for community-run infrastructure, volunteering to provide a common good, and making decisions for the benefit of all.

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302559217628691https://forum.other.li/post/https://chaos.social/users/dpk/statuses/116302559217628691Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:30:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to There was an article about moving to Codeberg on the orange website yesterday, and out of interest to get an impression of what average programmers think of the idea of moving, I took at look at the comments. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:29:17 GMT]]>@dpk Oh wow, I did not know you could do this! 👀 When federation does eventually come around, is it planned for forges that are set up like this to "migrate" painlessly?

(Sorry if this is a dumb question. I am not sure how this stuff is set up.)

]]>https://forum.other.li/post/https://meow.social/users/codecat/statuses/116302555185037701https://forum.other.li/post/https://meow.social/users/codecat/statuses/116302555185037701Fri, 27 Mar 2026 18:29:17 GMT