Nah, this is not disagreement. You're simply wrong on the facts and the "massive fed honeypot" statement was incredibly stupid and you got caught out.

Take it as a lessons learned.

@Gina

1) They have never claimed anonymity.

https://proton.me/blog/switzerland

2) Tell me more about how you run a company without obeying the laws in the jurisdiction where you are based. Please go into as many details as you wish.

@privateger @Gina

If we're just throwing out random accusations I guess you're FBI? I mean. Persons have been, before.

@Gina

"that has been validated by Swiss authorities"

Yes?

@privateger @Gina

Upon receiving a judicial order, ProtonMail is obliged to provide any user information readily available that would help identify a user that is subject to a criminal investigation that has been validated by Swiss authorities. In addition to the items listed in our privacy policy, in extreme criminal cases, ProtonMail may also be obligated to monitor the IP addresses which are being used to access the ProtonMail accounts which are engaged in criminal activities.

So, in the specific case, it looks likely that ProtonMail was either under legal order to delay notification to the account holder — given what appears to be up to eight months between the logging being instigated and disclosure of it — or it had been provided with information by the Swiss authorities which led it to conclude that delaying notice was essential to avoid a risk of “injury, death, or irreparable damage” to a person or persons (NB: it is unclear what “irreparable damage” means in this context, and whether it could be interpreted figuratively — as ‘damage’ to a person’s/group’s interests, for example, such as to a criminal investigation, not solely bodily harm — which would make the policy considerably more expansive).

It’s that IP monitoring component which has caused such alarm among privacy advocates now — and no small criticism of Proton’s marketing claims as a ‘user privacy centric’ company.

It has faced particular criticism for marketing claims of providing “anonymous email” and for the wording of the caveat in its transparency disclosure — where it talks about IP logging only occurring in “extreme criminal cases”.

Absolutely everyone who has any knowledge about the Swiss legal system and Proton's ownership knows they by definition cannot be a "massive fed honeypot" - which were your words.

"bro"

@Gina

I don't need to "do a search" since I know the subject. That's why I'm calling out your FUD.

@Gina

I assume you think that "lol" somehow makes your post true?

Tell me more about how the Swiss privacy laws enable this "fed" honeypot. You know, for them to actually intercept they'll need a whole lot more than "someone wants to".

Or maybe you're simply posting FUD on a subject you have absolutely no knowledge of?

@Gina

I have nothing against Proton, I'll still use it for my email, but I'll hold off on using their videocalling service until they've addressed this blogpost.

What do you think of Tuta?

Thank you!

Also, being owned by a Swiss non-profit means they can't lie about what they do or don't do since they would be shut down immediately by European - thus functioning - legal system.

Thanks!

What about my sent folder?