Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
If they absolutely must board the slop train, do it as an extension. That would, of course, defeat their real goal of sucking up all our information and further inflate the bullshit bubble. -
Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs put every A.I. things on plugins … so no need for kill switch anymore
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
I don't care as long as it doesn't interfere with proper browsing.
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@mdavis I believe it's a moral stance due to how the models were produced.
It is very much a trust issue. The track record of AI training is not good. To taint Firefox with the same trust issues is dangerous. The people mainly using Firefox does it because of the failing trust in other platforms. This trust when lost takes a very long time to earn again.
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@CyberPunker @firefoxwebdevs kill switch doesn't mean opt-out, it means have a single button to disable it.
The thing is that an user might have switched on a couple of AI features, and might have changed its mind, and wanted to disable it all permanently or temporarily, and having a single button to do that is very useful.
@DiogoConstantino @firefoxwebdevs A "live switch" would do the same but has to be activated before to enable the slop.
Seeing that FF activated the slop without having the option to deactivate it (beside in about:config) lets me think the "kill switch" would/will mean opt-out. -
Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs which option is "LLM ('AI') features should not be in Firefox"? The others are just affirming the consequent - I don't want an "AI kill switch" to turn off translation, because I don't want it to exist because there's no "AI" for it to "kill".
I don't care how useful some people find LLMs for some tasks. It is irrelevant; there is no ethical use of LLMs, based on the individual and cumulative impact of literally every single step in their creation and operation. That shit can go fuck all the way off, and then it can fuck off some more. There is no "but, for this user case...", because there is not and cannot be an ethical, acceptable calculus to even *compare* the negatives to whichever economic metrics or feels one might wave about. The discussion is bullshit, the costs are *intrinsically* unacceptable, full stop.
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
4th option: i was a Firefox user until they fed it up with AI@efialto @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
Ditto.
I used Firefox until they announced the addition of AI into future versions, then I stopped updating it. On my Linux systems I switched to Librewolf and now consider completely uninstalling my older version of Firefox.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs where is the option for it to be an extension that i can just not install at all because i dont care for such a non-essential feature -
Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
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@firefoxwebdevs oh, fuck off. You know perfectly well what we mean when we say get the “AI” out of the damn browser. This triangulation isn’t doing what you think it’s doing.
@rowmyboat assuming a kill switch is landing (which it is), do you disagree with the results of the poll?
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@truh @firefoxwebdevs I generally agree, but I can see exceptions for things such as accessibility features (translation is accessibility), and other features that extend user facing non-ai features and are done with local small models, as long as they are off by default.
@DiogoConstantino @firefoxwebdevs Why not make it an extension? I only see advantages. People who don't like it can remove it entirely without patching and recompiling Firefox. It'd also make sure that the extension API has the necessary features so that other people can build better accessibility features
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs We want a browser. We don't want AI.
If you want to develop AI features, make an Add-On -
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
I don't care as long as it doesn't interfere with proper browsing.
@sibrosan @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard@circumstances.run @tante
It's spying on you. All Gen AI is an espionage attack surface for the technofascist state.
You might not notice that ICE and Trump's buddies can look at your web surfing whenever they want.
But you won't see it, so that's okay!
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs The amount of feature popups during normale browsing gets more and more annoying. I wish my browser of choice would leave me the frack alone or at least ask me these questions directly on first launch (setup screen). Feels more and more like "taming" WIndows after a fresh installation of Firefox.
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@sibrosan @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard@circumstances.run @tante
It's spying on you. All Gen AI is an espionage attack surface for the technofascist state.
You might not notice that ICE and Trump's buddies can look at your web surfing whenever they want.
But you won't see it, so that's okay!
lol hachyderm won't let you link me
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I am getting ever closer to being a Firefox ex-user. Please stop with the enshittification.
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@DiogoConstantino @firefoxwebdevs Why not make it an extension? I only see advantages. People who don't like it can remove it entirely without patching and recompiling Firefox. It'd also make sure that the extension API has the necessary features so that other people can build better accessibility features
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@DiogoConstantino @firefoxwebdevs A "live switch" would do the same but has to be activated before to enable the slop.
Seeing that FF activated the slop without having the option to deactivate it (beside in about:config) lets me think the "kill switch" would/will mean opt-out.@CyberPunker @firefoxwebdevs it's not true that there's active AI by default on Firefox.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Am I a firefox user if I use a derivative like waterfox?
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@dahukanna @firefoxwebdevs this thread is not about an LLM, or AI-ML feature.
Translations are an accessibility feature, essential for many around the world, this should be a native feature, unless you don' t care about accessibility.
Hi @DiogoConstantino question was “Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand (machine learning, subset of artificial intelligence that automatically enables a machine or system to learn & improve from experience-https://cloud.google.com/learn/artificial-intelligence-vs-machine-learning) ML models for privacy-preserving translation.”
That’s what I responded to. I did not advocate to remove “Translations as an accessibility feature”. Rather to allow the user to select & consent to the feature with a specific implementation.
