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  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

    @theorangetheme I'd love to make a bot that just hits all the big LLMs and corporate "help" bots, and simply shuffles their answers to each other randomly, then randomly up or downvotes the replies.

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    @alice @theorangetheme I once built a fuzz testing tool that "randomly" shuffled input around and tested it against things. "does my input validation survive utterly batshit inputs?"

    Feeding the inputs through something like that would make sure they can't cache answers.

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      @miclgael @alice if it doesn’t like that, .lol is a valid TLD. πŸ˜†

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      @bytex64 @alice maybe i'll just go ahead and register coolburgz@omg.lol haha

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      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

        The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

        Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

        Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

        Using VPNs set to different locations.

        Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

        Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

        If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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        @alice

        a fair bit of the advice in here seems really good, but from what I know, AdNauseam isn't really worth using over just uBO

        at least as of when I last looked into it a couple years ago: it uses more resources on your machine, doesn't really make any significant difference for the companies, and the high volume of "clicks" from you just makes you far more trackable since no normal person browsing would do so

        also, I think it might be worth editing the last point to say "hopefully none of you are using LLMs, but if you're someone who does..." 🩡

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        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

          @Irenetherogue sure! There are low tech ways to do itβ€”just lie...to every corporation, app, and marketer you can. Make it plausible, but wrong.

          Bonus: include something wildly implausible once in a while. It makes folx more likely to overlook the subtle ones.

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          @alice @Irenetherogue I got off when taken to court for nonpayment of Poll Tax (Thatcher thing, yes, I'm that old) because I poisoned their data by missing out a crucial box on the form.

          Don't refuse to comply but *always* sabotage their data. It's simply costs them more.

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          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

            The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

            Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

            Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

            Using VPNs set to different locations.

            Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

            Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

            If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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            @alice "Fold your punch cards"! πŸ˜ƒ

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            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

              πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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              Sorry accidentally poisoned cuzco instead


              #With-the-poison #the-poison-for-cuzco #the-poison-made-specifically-for-cuzco
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              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                Using VPNs set to different locations.

                Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                @alice

                We should tax corporations by the GigaByte of storage the own.

                It doesn't matter what they use it for, it should have a tangible yearly cost, to make them think about how much they store.

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                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                  The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                  Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                  Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                  Using VPNs set to different locations.

                  Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                  Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                  If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                  @alice Enter your name as [object Object] and let them try to find a bug.

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                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                    πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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                    @alice a friend of mine changed his middle name to 'undefined', it caused so many problems he had to change it back within a year.

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                      @alice I've toyed with the idea of setting up a headless Chrome instance to just ask "but why?" to ChatGPT all day to drive up their inference costs. πŸ‘€

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                      @theorangetheme @alice lol somebody has a toddler

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                        The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                        Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                        Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                        Using VPNs set to different locations.

                        Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                        Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                        If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                        @alice thank you! I've always wondered whether to put random made-up data but hearing the reasoning and logic spelt out like this is convincing me to actually start. Especially commonsense things like "mess with the fields that don't matter in their service to you"

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                          @alice a friend of mine changed his middle name to 'undefined', it caused so many problems he had to change it back within a year.

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                          @TheMightyGit @alice
                          Reminds me of someone who had the last name "Null" and had similar problems.

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                          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                            The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                            Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                            Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                            Using VPNs set to different locations.

                            Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                            Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                            If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                            @alice

                            Wrt #PII, It might be a good idea to avoid entering data easily identifiable as trash, and use generators instead. E.g.:

                            • FauxID
                            • Fake Name Generator
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                              @alice I've toyed with the idea of setting up a headless Chrome instance to just ask "but why?" to ChatGPT all day to drive up their inference costs. πŸ‘€

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                              @theorangetheme @alice

                              'and then?'

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                              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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                                @alice

                                yes, yes, a thousand times, yes!

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                                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                  The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                  Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                  Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                  Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                  Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                  Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                  If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                                  This is the way. I've been doing this since 1997.

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                                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                    πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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                                    @alice

                                    *keeps Data in a safe place far away from Alice*

                                    #FullyFunctionalAndProgrammedInMultipleTechniques #FullyFunctional

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                                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                      The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                      Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                      Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                      Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                      Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                      Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                      If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                                      @alice Non-tech-savvy question:
                                      Is there something special about 1970-01-01, or is it just an example of an arbitrary incorrect birthdate? Would it foul things up just as much if I entered, say, 1984-04-01?

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                                        @alice

                                        *keeps Data in a safe place far away from Alice*

                                        #FullyFunctionalAndProgrammedInMultipleTechniques #FullyFunctional

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                                        @miguelpergamon @alice No need for poison, just....Data is too valuable, so we're going to substitute the discount version, Ensign Anecdote.

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                                          @miguelpergamon @alice No need for poison, just....Data is too valuable, so we're going to substitute the discount version, Ensign Anecdote.

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                                          @madengineering @alice

                                          Ensign Anecdote told me fae met Alice once ... at a lock in ...

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