Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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@firefoxwebdevs Why are so many people clicking "yes" here? I don't get why you wouldn't want to have a local offline translator that gives you privacy preserving translations by default. For me the AI kill switch should only kill services that actually send and request data from other companies, here it's just a local translator.
@noah a lot of folks have (reasonable imo) concerns around how these models are trained. I'm not sure how much of that applies to the translation models, but feelings count here.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs i use Firefox on-device translation fairly regularly! i think it should still be part of some sort of kill switch due to the size of the models that need to be downloaded (iirc?) but definitely allow a way to enable it, and maybe other similar non-LLM ML features. i could see there being a separate LLM killswitch that's a subitem of an ML killswitch
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@firefoxwebdevs Here's a concrete example of what I mean, that should be pretty consistent with the Firefox UI design:
@joepie91 @firefoxwebdevs turns out the translator includes mass-collected data too, it's not "open data" at all but whatever they found lying about
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs As said before. Remove ALL AI from firefox and ship it in extensions (or plugins).
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs What about you opt in to the AI stuff you want by installing an extension, it's easy, problem is solved, then you are stopping cramming in stuff people don't want, 99% of people don't need, this has been suggested so many times, and you keep on ignoring it, I guess the answer is pressure from the leardership..
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@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.
I am begging you to just make a web browser.
Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.
Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.
Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.
Please.
@m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs 100% this. I've been using Firefox since before it was called that. I was, way back in the day, an NCSA XMosaic user. I just want the inheritors of that legacy not to ruin it but instead to build he best damn *browser* on the web. Please stop forcing us to use forks designed to fix all the things you break.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs We don't want a "kill switch" aka Opt-Out, we want a "live switch" aka Opt-In!
I think it should be very clear by now that most people don't want slop by default.
What is so complicated to understand that?Opt-Out == bad
Opt-In == okay
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
I actually left Firefox as a user precisely for their stance on AI, but also other stuff, and won't go back even if they were reconsidering:
I deeply mistrust them now.
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
4th option: i was a Firefox user until they fed it up with AI@efialto
That's me too!
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I voted in the poll for the least bad option, but I now regret that. Because it’s all so pointless isn’t it? You don’t actually care what I think or what the other users think. If you did you would have asked if we wanted ai slop at all, not what flavour of slop we preferred.
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@mdavis I believe it's a moral stance due to how the models were produced.
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@noah a lot of folks have (reasonable imo) concerns around how these models are trained. I'm not sure how much of that applies to the translation models, but feelings count here.
@firefoxwebdevs @noah We also don't trust to you keep your word.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs nobody wants LLMs in our browser. do something useful instead
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante BOTH (2) and (3).
The Mozilla I want is one that would pre-install uBlock Origin. An effective adblocker furthers Mozilla's purported mission of "put[ting] control of the internet back in the hands of the people using it" way more than any LLM nonsense.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs "AI" is too general a term that's been coopted numerous times for marketing. Should the AI kill switch kill Pacman ghost logic in an extension? Block ELIZA? Clearly call it what people mean nowadays: an LLM/gen AI chatbot kill switch.
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@firefoxwebdevs Missing the option "Remove all so-called 'AI' elements from Firefox and let those who want them install them as extensions"
But at this point I've already voted that way by uninstalling Firefox from all devices.
Cosigning everything written here: https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/
@NicoleJLeBoeuf @firefoxwebdevs
I believe that @librewolf has the same general attitude to AI bollocks as WaterFox.
Both seem to be good versions of the otherwise very good browser.
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@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.
I am begging you to just make a web browser.
Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.
Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.
Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.
Please.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs this is some disingenuous baloney that really shows how little you know or care about users of your product
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I use Firefox, because it is a decent, secure browser with a nice plugin system. I want a browser to be a browser. If I wanted it to be AI, or I wanted it to mine Bitcoins, or spy on me and show me ads, or have 1001 other useless features, I'd choose from a number of other alternatives. When you start pushing useless features like this, I am seriously considering switching the browser. This is how many browsers died, you didn't do your homework. *Nobody* prohibits you from creating useless AIs and serving them as extensions.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs Be a browser, let translation services do translation. If people have need for translation MLs they can get them on their own.
