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Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

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    Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

    Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

    The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
    I wrote about it 👇

    https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

    #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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      Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

      Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

      The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
      I wrote about it 👇

      https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

      #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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      • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

        Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

        Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

        The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
        I wrote about it 👇

        https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

        #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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        @devsimsek Is that a thing people believe, that LLMs generate themselves towards the singularity simply by eating their own output and no other feedback?

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        • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

          Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

          Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

          The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
          I wrote about it 👇

          https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

          #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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          @devsimsek here's a video what recursive model collapse looks like. Warning: I found it visually disturbing without being able to word why exactly.

          https://manganiello.eu/objects/6f0da731-81ce-46fe-a67b-5c4dbe2d27e0

          I am also not sure whether the video is illustrating the exact same mathematical arguments from OP, but certainly related.

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          • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

            Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

            Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

            The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
            I wrote about it 👇

            https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

            #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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            @devsimsek
            I put my butt on the copier and now I'm going to keep feeding copies of that picture into it until it prints out the Mona Lisa.

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              @devsimsek Is that a thing people believe, that LLMs generate themselves towards the singularity simply by eating their own output and no other feedback?

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              @Quantensalat @devsimsek tech bros have been claiming their AIs are alive for years so if the average person who knows nothing about computers thinks we already have AGI, who can really blame them. Anthropic all but claims to have invented Terminator.

              Maybe something like this will stop the panic.

              Which is not to say people shouldn't be concerned in general and very specifically about environmental impacts

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              • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                I wrote about it 👇

                https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                @devsimsek The good news about this, when stuff explodes a lot idiots will loose a lot money and prove even further how stupid this bubble is.

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                • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                  Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                  Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                  The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                  I wrote about it 👇

                  https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                  #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                  @devsimsek if i eat my own shit repeatedly will i become a singularity

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                  • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                    Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                    Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                    The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                    I wrote about it 👇

                    https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                    #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                    @devsimsek Not a developer, but that was my first thought when I understood how LLMs were trained and how they worked: What happens when there's so much AI generated content on the internet that the LLM is harvesting and recycling its own output? That's like a high school history class having their own essays as research material. #LLMs

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                      @devsimsek Is that a thing people believe, that LLMs generate themselves towards the singularity simply by eating their own output and no other feedback?

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                      @Quantensalat @devsimsek Yes.

                      They have also never had a machine crash because a recursive operation overran the stack or used up all the memory.

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                        @devsimsek The good news about this, when stuff explodes a lot idiots will loose a lot money and prove even further how stupid this bubble is.

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                        @Keldrim @devsimsek But we'll still be out of jobs.

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                          @Quantensalat @devsimsek tech bros have been claiming their AIs are alive for years so if the average person who knows nothing about computers thinks we already have AGI, who can really blame them. Anthropic all but claims to have invented Terminator.

                          Maybe something like this will stop the panic.

                          Which is not to say people shouldn't be concerned in general and very specifically about environmental impacts

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                          @musicman @devsimsek As with all mathematical theorems, there's probably a not too far-fetched loophole circumventing some of their assumptions, doesn't mean skynet is becoming self-aware any time soon once that is the case.

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                            @devsimsek Not a developer, but that was my first thought when I understood how LLMs were trained and how they worked: What happens when there's so much AI generated content on the internet that the LLM is harvesting and recycling its own output? That's like a high school history class having their own essays as research material. #LLMs

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                            @devsimsek If LLMs were to start modifying themselves without reference to real live humans, there's fun to be had speculating on what an LLM might select as an "improvement". Could be anything, but let's say it's something that appears often on the net. Temu ads? Multi-syllable words? "My grandma taught me this"? Interrupting everything with ads? Quoting Captain Kirk? Cat photos?
                            #LLMs #AGI

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                            • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                              Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                              Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                              The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                              I wrote about it 👇

                              https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                              #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                              @devsimsek Inbreeding is never a good idea that seems quite intuitive doesn’t it?

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                              • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                I wrote about it 👇

                                https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                @devsimsek The paper doesn't prove that. It proves that "if the proportion of exogenous, externally grounded signal vanishes asymptotically, the system undergoes degenerative dynamics."
                                The necessary asymptotic condition is not met in real use.

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                                • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                  Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                  Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                  The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                  I wrote about it 👇

                                  https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                  #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                  @devsimsek this only means that LLMs can't provide their own training data, right? Could they still "invent" new algorithms, that make more of the existing data?

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                                  • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                    Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                    Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                    The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                    I wrote about it 👇

                                    https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                    #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                    @devsimsek Chatting with U Toronto AI profs 6, 7 years ago, I posed a problem.

                                    "Teach your AI everything about whole, integer, rational and real numbers. Ask it to solve a problem that requires it to invent complex numbers."

                                    Reply: "Oh... It doesn't work that way."

                                    I knew that, but the ability to frame your observations as the product of a higher order system is IMHO key to what we call "intelligence". Collecting evidence that can disprove your hypothesis is science.

                                    LLM approaches are neither, in a very expensive way.

                                    I'll have to read the paper, though. I'm looking forward to the AI equivalent of Goedel's Theorem that shuts down this annoying iteration of the field.

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                                    • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                      Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                      Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                      The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                      I wrote about it 👇

                                      https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                      #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                      @devsimsek

                                      "The curse of recursion" or, as I've been calling it for a while now, "a feedback loop of shit."

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                                      • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                        Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                        Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                        The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                        I wrote about it 👇

                                        https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                        #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                        @devsimsek
                                        This is great. I’ve been saying same since before it was conceived, but I expected it on the heels of Cambridge Analytica scandal & techbros desire to use it as a Maxwell’s Demon. If these AI developers cared about their product, they would be funding & not cutting research, sciences, the arts, quality free education, ensuring diversity of experience & insight. But they are going out of their way to destroy their own models with falsehoods of every kind.
                                        They & It lack discernment.

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                                        • devsimsek@universeodon.comD devsimsek@universeodon.com

                                          Researchers just mathematically proved that AI can't recursively self-improve its way to superintelligence.

                                          Not "we think it's unlikely." Not "it seems hard." Formally proved.

                                          The model doesn't climb toward AGI — it slowly forgets what reality looks like. They call it model collapse. The math calls it inevitable.
                                          I wrote about it 👇

                                          https://smsk.dev/2026/04/26/ai-cannot-self-improve-and-math-behind-proves-it/

                                          #AI #MachineLearning #LLM #Research

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                                          @devsimsek What should we trust, then? Researchers, or LinkedIn Unemployed AI Ambassadors?

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