Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I am getting ever closer to being a Firefox ex-user. Please stop with the enshittification.
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@DiogoConstantino @firefoxwebdevs Why not make it an extension? I only see advantages. People who don't like it can remove it entirely without patching and recompiling Firefox. It'd also make sure that the extension API has the necessary features so that other people can build better accessibility features
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@DiogoConstantino @firefoxwebdevs A "live switch" would do the same but has to be activated before to enable the slop.
Seeing that FF activated the slop without having the option to deactivate it (beside in about:config) lets me think the "kill switch" would/will mean opt-out.@CyberPunker @firefoxwebdevs it's not true that there's active AI by default on Firefox.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Am I a firefox user if I use a derivative like waterfox?
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@dahukanna @firefoxwebdevs this thread is not about an LLM, or AI-ML feature.
Translations are an accessibility feature, essential for many around the world, this should be a native feature, unless you don' t care about accessibility.
Hi @DiogoConstantino question was “Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand (machine learning, subset of artificial intelligence that automatically enables a machine or system to learn & improve from experience-https://cloud.google.com/learn/artificial-intelligence-vs-machine-learning) ML models for privacy-preserving translation.”
That’s what I responded to. I did not advocate to remove “Translations as an accessibility feature”. Rather to allow the user to select & consent to the feature with a specific implementation. -
Hi @DiogoConstantino question was “Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand (machine learning, subset of artificial intelligence that automatically enables a machine or system to learn & improve from experience-https://cloud.google.com/learn/artificial-intelligence-vs-machine-learning) ML models for privacy-preserving translation.”
That’s what I responded to. I did not advocate to remove “Translations as an accessibility feature”. Rather to allow the user to select & consent to the feature with a specific implementation.@dahukanna That's was not the question.
It's not about gathering data to train, or fine tune any model, or improving the model in any way. It's about using the model to make translations for languages that you authorize translations (automatically, or on-demand).
If you know the feature, you'll know that it's not used before the user authorizes it, and it can be controlled with some granularity.
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@dahukanna That's was not the question.
It's not about gathering data to train, or fine tune any model, or improving the model in any way. It's about using the model to make translations for languages that you authorize translations (automatically, or on-demand).
If you know the feature, you'll know that it's not used before the user authorizes it, and it can be controlled with some granularity.
@dahukanna I will not read whatever is on that link because it's hosted on Google.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany wrong question AI is a program have you ever ask should i put adobe in my firefox, the answer was yes a s a web page
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@dahukanna That's was not the question.
It's not about gathering data to train, or fine tune any model, or improving the model in any way. It's about using the model to make translations for languages that you authorize translations (automatically, or on-demand).
If you know the feature, you'll know that it's not used before the user authorizes it, and it can be controlled with some granularity.
@dahukanna I'm not saying there shouldn't be any further granularity, but the current feature has controls for:
* which language to translate from and to which, if any, should be translated at all;
* which website should be translated. -
Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante @rose_alibi I have stopped using Firefox because of their AI push.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs "Survey: What do you want to happen when you hit the opt-out button?" When nobody wants it to be opt out. Bad faith.
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@jaffathecake @davidgerard @firefoxwebdevs it’s telling that you can’t admit that you deliberately misrepresented community consensus to push horseshit into the browser I use
@zzt @jaffathecake @davidgerard @firefoxwebdevs Fatality. Objective C... WINS
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs Please stop this. Please
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs This is a so much better way to select options. In the survey above you have to read the question, understand the negation, stop, pause, think, process the different options, ...
The second one just asks what should be done (positive) and gives underatandable choices.
Please, let's all make surveys as easy as The Duke did.
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs This is a so much better way to select options. In the survey above you have to read the question, understand the negation, stop, pause, think, process the different options, ...
The second one just asks what should be done (positive) and gives underatandable choices.
Please, let's all make surveys as easy as The Duke did.
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, and please use clear choices with unambiguous answers. What does "
️" even mean in the first survey?- I don't know.
- I don't care.
- I lack sufficient deep knowledge about what AI actually is, though I do get the feeling that it's more than just LLMs, but how would I know? The privacy intrusions and energy sources both used to create LLMs in the first place do *really* bother me, especially in the shadows of Metallica v. Napster and the social inequity that is now used by companies like OpenAI. Also, I want to crawl to bed, eat pizza and pet my cat.
- Something else...So, dear Firefoxians, what does
️ mean in your survey? -
@rowmyboat assuming a kill switch is landing (which it is), do you disagree with the results of the poll?
@firefoxwebdevs I disagree with the premise.
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, and please use clear choices with unambiguous answers. What does "
️" even mean in the first survey?- I don't know.
- I don't care.
- I lack sufficient deep knowledge about what AI actually is, though I do get the feeling that it's more than just LLMs, but how would I know? The privacy intrusions and energy sources both used to create LLMs in the first place do *really* bother me, especially in the shadows of Metallica v. Napster and the social inequity that is now used by companies like OpenAI. Also, I want to crawl to bed, eat pizza and pet my cat.
- Something else...So, dear Firefoxians, what does
️ mean in your survey?@jesterchen @duke_of_germany ah, I thought
was well understood to mean "I don't know/care, I just want to see the results". It's pretty commonly used, but clearly not commonly enough. Sorry! -
@firefoxwebdevs I am getting ever closer to being a Firefox ex-user. Please stop with the enshittification.
@FluffyMonoceros @firefoxwebdevs Automatic translation is enshittification? Weird.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I’d call ML a form of AI, so I voted for “yes, but allow me to re-enable just translation.” If you want to have an LLM feature kill switch, reference LLMs rather than only “AI” for clarity.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs heres a better idea, take all the AI gubbins added in that nobody wants, put them on a flash drive, then fling that flash drive into the sun. Nobody asked for this
