Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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@firefoxwebdevs Why a poll?
As if you cared about any feedback.@240185 I've already used the results of this poll to push for change in the AI kill switch. The feedback was massively appreciated.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social Why are you missing the obvious option for "Keep all AI out of Firefox"?
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I'm not voting in that poll, needs a "No AI" option.
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@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.
I am begging you to just make a web browser.
Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.
Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.
Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.
Please.
@m0rpk I second this.
I cannot for the love of me think about a moment where I opened my webbrowser and thought:
- "I miss a search engine"
- "I miss a translation engine"
- "I miss webpage summariser"
- "I miss an LLM front-end" (I don't even use LLMs)
- "I miss a client-side LLM"I just wanna open my webbrowser and not be bothered by anything dammit...
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Hi @DiogoConstantino question was “Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand (machine learning, subset of artificial intelligence that automatically enables a machine or system to learn & improve from experience-https://cloud.google.com/learn/artificial-intelligence-vs-machine-learning) ML models for privacy-preserving translation.”
That’s what I responded to. I did not advocate to remove “Translations as an accessibility feature”. Rather to allow the user to select & consent to the feature with a specific implementation.@dahukanna@mastodon.social @DiogoConstantino@masto.pt @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social Machine Learning is a field that's wider and older than the LLM/diffusion/whatever mess that's been marketed as "AI" and led to the current bubble. Labeling it as "a subset of artificial intelligence" is at best a simplification and at worst an outright manipulation to confuse the public about the realities of the technology. Google is not a trustworthy source for this topic.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social i maintain that the "AI kill switch" is a stupid name for such a feature. Stop calling it AI, this term is meaningless as indicated by the disagreement in this poll and the need to ask in the first place. You should rephrase it in a way that makes it more obvious what features would be included.
I mostly care about the AI kill switch from a privacy standpoint. I don't want any chatbot sidebar, or a summarization tool that sends my stuff off to some API. But I do like device-local ML features that work offline.
For me, these two toggles would be perfect:
[ X ] Enable ML features
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\-- [ ] Enable ML features that require an Internet connection.
Turning off the top one would obviously disable translations. But turning off just the bottom one would obviously keep translations. -
@m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs mozilla did deliver this as a plugin in the beginning. What's your point? "Don't make the web open, unless it's something that I approve?"
@funkylab @m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs
Quite the friendly tone here. Firefox shipping a feature that unilaterally makes derivative work of any written content on the internet without the author's review or consent isn't exactly part of my definition of the open web. Please don't conflate your opinion on widespread machine translation with the term.
Translation also brings its own ethical can of worms. Say Firefox mistranslates a critical information, resulting in loss or injury. Who's responsible?
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
you might add : I want an "opt-in" button
@Tacitus @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante jake's already tried "well what even *is* opt in, it's so impossibly complicated you know"
(it isn't, make it an extension)
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@zzt @jaffathecake @davidgerard @firefoxwebdevs Fatality. Objective C... WINS
@errant @zzt @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs that's *mister* object
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@davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs It's telling that you can't admit that you (deliberately?) misrepresented me to stir outrage.
@jaffathecake @davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs
brother what the hell are you even fighting for here lmfao
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@240185 I've already used the results of this poll to push for change in the AI kill switch. The feedback was massively appreciated.
@firefoxwebdevs @240185 Did you mention the overall dim view that users express at the prospect of losing their favorite browser to AI hype? Mozilla's problem here is far greater than "how should we implement a kill switch." How is Mozilla planning to restore the trust they've lost by employing deceptive patterns against their user base?
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Am I a firefox user if I use a derivative like waterfox?
@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Waterfox has pledged no AI and won't be accepting those bits. So has Zen.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
"I want something
I can call my own,
that ain't a Ford Cortina
or a mortgage on a home!" -
@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.
I am begging you to just make a web browser.
Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.
Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.
Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.
Please.
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@firefoxwebdevs I disagree with the premise.
@rowmyboat @firefoxwebdevs Yep. It's exactly what the parents of a toddler do when they want the child to feel like it has control. "You can have ANYTHING you want, so what's it gonna be, apple or banana?"
It's insulting
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@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Waterfox has pledged no AI and won't be accepting those bits. So has Zen.
@reflex @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante I meant can I respond to the poll. But i guess now I see the OP I see what I should do.
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@jaffathecake @davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs
brother what the hell are you even fighting for here lmfao
@TheEntity it's fair to say I dislike things being attributed to me that I didn't say & aren't true.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs While I understand some people actually appreciate translations, this part should be an extension. I don’t understand why you have to build it either.
To me, the translation part is just annoying. If I don’t understand a language I’ll find the content in a language I do. The translations are horrible (seriously) anyway. This also brings jobs to proper translators who know what they are doing (and understand context and culture).
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@TheEntity it's fair to say I dislike things being attributed to me that I didn't say & aren't true.
@jaffathecake Have you defended your e-bushido on the term killswitch yet
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany Das nenne ich mal eindeutiges Feedback
