My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer The Fediverse is for craft tweets with a soul.
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@evan I'd say the social distance between participants of the Fediverse is far shorter than on centralised social networks, yes. I definitely found friends here. Friends as in people that are willing to work together on positive things. On centralised networks my experience always was that people connect based on being AGAINST something. Here, more often, people band together FOR something.
@jwildeboer @evan "My friends and family are here when I invite them in to see something cool I've been working-on. In the meantime, like minded randos occasionally visit to help me build said cool thing because they are way more experienced/interested in cool thing than friends/family and give way better advice. Some of them become friends, but most just appreciate getting to help build cool thing."
Just like my house.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer but, like a commoners, we don't need to be small. We must to be people. we must to be massive.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer I think my experience in local politics is very different from yours
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer When the purchase of Twitter was in full swing, I remember delighting in telling academics making fun of the fediverse "it's like a little network of neighborhood bars where people come together and chat about whatever. It's not going to give you the 'author signing at a Borders with the worlds shittiest manager you can blame for -not handling- the crazies that you get into messy fights-with' energy that you desperately crave."
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer I like this lens. I think of open source as an interesting pond with lovely surprises...like spotting a frog or blooms or a creek that feeds the pond. We are curious fish. We like discovery and oxygen.The big tech platforms are water parks with constructed slides, poolside cotton candy and big gulps, sunscreen, and swim fashion. The influencers have megaphones and whistles to tell us when the schedule changes and how to stay safe. To hold your attention, they introduce increasingly insane clickbait innovations like a 180⁰ water slide with an option to add a waterproof VR headset.
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@evan I'd say the social distance between participants of the Fediverse is far shorter than on centralised social networks, yes. I definitely found friends here. Friends as in people that are willing to work together on positive things. On centralised networks my experience always was that people connect based on being AGAINST something. Here, more often, people band together FOR something.
@jwildeboer OK.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer Ah! Perfect description
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@evan I'd say the social distance between participants of the Fediverse is far shorter than on centralised social networks, yes. I definitely found friends here. Friends as in people that are willing to work together on positive things. On centralised networks my experience always was that people connect based on being AGAINST something. Here, more often, people band together FOR something.
That's the algorithms.
On the big corporate sites, everything is getting steered for "engagement" which usually means conflict. The divide and conquer thing, deliberately designed to be toxic.
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@jwildeboer I think my experience in local politics is very different from yours
@vicgrinberg My experience here in Munich, Bavaria, is that local politics is messy but also very personal. It's people that discuss, sometimes very heated, on local issues in pragmatic ways. Not hiding behind abstract party arguments. And at the end of the meetings, we all go to a beer garden and shake hands.
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That's the algorithms.
On the big corporate sites, everything is getting steered for "engagement" which usually means conflict. The divide and conquer thing, deliberately designed to be toxic.
@violetmadder Yes, that's for sure. But that argument doesn't really "stick" in my experience when talking to people about why they should give the fediverse a try. @evan
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer There are people who want community, and then there are people who want to monetize communities.
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@vicgrinberg My experience here in Munich, Bavaria, is that local politics is messy but also very personal. It's people that discuss, sometimes very heated, on local issues in pragmatic ways. Not hiding behind abstract party arguments. And at the end of the meetings, we all go to a beer garden and shake hands.
@jwildeboer my experience is in the same area (Augsburg & Munich) some ~20 years ago when a lot has been about "old boys" (and sometimes their proteges') networks and a lot of "this is how we have always done it".
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I am happy to hear in the replies that this visualisation resonates! May it help you all to find new fedinauts to join our street parties! And don't forget to share some food with the many cats that stroll around
I tried to find something like astronaut with Mastodon, mastodonaut?, but I don't know.
But I like fedinaut.
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@jwildeboer my experience is in the same area (Augsburg & Munich) some ~20 years ago when a lot has been about "old boys" (and sometimes their proteges') networks and a lot of "this is how we have always done it".
@jwildeboer ... which may also be a bit like fediverse, now that I've written it down.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer Well said!
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@violetmadder Yes, that's for sure. But that argument doesn't really "stick" in my experience when talking to people about why they should give the fediverse a try. @evan
Because for some reason most people seem to have no clue just how pernicious and awful those algorithms are.
I left Facebook as soon as it became clear it was pushing in my face the exact types of things I'd rather NOT engage with. It was like watching sewage seeping in to fill the room, but loads of people are still standing around nattering while the rising flood laps against their chins.
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@jwildeboer ... which may also be a bit like fediverse, now that I've written it down.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
I like this "lost cause" and the parties.
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My current way to interest people to join us: The Fediverse is more like local politics, with small communities discussing things. Centralised networks like Twitter, TikTok, instagram etc are more like national politics, with loud mouthpieces shouting over everyone else.
This mental image helps me in understanding why the influencers fail here and they of course think that means that the fediverse must be a lost cause while we commoners happily chug along and enjoy our little street parties
@jwildeboer I see my Fedi experience as being local in terms of the like-minded people I follow, but not in terms of geography. I have only met face-to-face with a few people who I follow here and they are not very active. None of my relatives or in-laws are here. As a person in the US, regrettably, what I like is the cosmopolitan nature of the Fedi and my ability to follow interesting and kind people all over the world.
