It really bums me out that I keep seeing blog posts from technical people like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical implications of LLMs, I'm interested in evaluating whether they can be useful for my work."
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My dude, if there are obvious moral and ethical implications, how are you able to "put them aside" so easily? I just don't get it
@Joshsharp It's simple, they said that to forestall a tiresome lecture.
For training coding AIs, anything with a liberal license is on board with it according to the license. At least as far as that goes (most of github's contents...) there aren't any "moral and ethical implications".
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It really bums me out that I keep seeing blog posts from technical people like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical implications of LLMs, I'm interested in evaluating whether they can be useful for my work."
Like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical concerns of breaking into my neighbours' houses, I'm interested in evaluating whether this can be useful for acquiring other people's valuables."
@Joshsharp there is genuine value in figuring out what attracts people to bad things and how you yourself might be attracted to bad things. Knowing the risks is an important part of mental hygiene, and also permits one to make nuanced arguments about why other people shouldn't do those bad things.
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@Joshsharp
Honest answer: The same way that I'm writing this on a phone which both in the production process and as a software-social ecosystem has obvious moral and ethical implications. Or how I use retirement investment funds which likely prop up the price of many terrible corporations. Nothing's perfect and we make imperfect choices of balancing comfort of life with the world impact every single day.@viraptor @Joshsharp that’s a fair point. The slight difference to me is that if smart phones were replaced with Nokia bricks tomorrow, there would be a bit of an impact and adjustment to make that’d take time, whereas I think if all LLM chatbots ceased tomorrow, there would be little impact at all for the vast majority of folk, so we are not at all at a stage with LLM where they are indispensable and who knows when or if we will be for the average person?
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@Joshsharp "Putting aside the moral and ethical implications, don't you think I'd look hot wearing these conflict diamonds?"
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My dude, if there are obvious moral and ethical implications, how are you able to "put them aside" so easily? I just don't get it
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It really bums me out that I keep seeing blog posts from technical people like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical implications of LLMs, I'm interested in evaluating whether they can be useful for my work."
Like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical concerns of breaking into my neighbours' houses, I'm interested in evaluating whether this can be useful for acquiring other people's valuables."
@Joshsharp it can be, but you wanna make sure your neighbors have valuables to find otherwise you're wasting your time tearing through all their possessions for nothing.
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It really bums me out that I keep seeing blog posts from technical people like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical implications of LLMs, I'm interested in evaluating whether they can be useful for my work."
Like "putting aside the obvious moral and ethical concerns of breaking into my neighbours' houses, I'm interested in evaluating whether this can be useful for acquiring other people's valuables."
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@Joshsharp
Honest answer: The same way that I'm writing this on a phone which both in the production process and as a software-social ecosystem has obvious moral and ethical implications. Or how I use retirement investment funds which likely prop up the price of many terrible corporations. Nothing's perfect and we make imperfect choices of balancing comfort of life with the world impact every single day. -
@Joshsharp It's simple, they said that to forestall a tiresome lecture.
For training coding AIs, anything with a liberal license is on board with it according to the license. At least as far as that goes (most of github's contents...) there aren't any "moral and ethical implications".
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@hopeless you're quite wrong: all free software licenses at the very least require retaining attribution.
and of course you chose ignoring all other extractive aspects of building the large commercial models.
I am not required (by copyright law rather than the license...) to attribute squat if I read, eg, MIT code and use the ideas I saw in there to write something different. Just like there's no attribution for container_of in the Linux kernel despite the idea came from elsewhere.
> and of course you chose ignoring all other extractive aspects of building the large commercial models.
Is there something specific you have in mind from this handwaving dark muttering I should care about?
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