Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Am I a firefox user if I use a derivative like waterfox?
@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Waterfox has pledged no AI and won't be accepting those bits. So has Zen.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
"I want something
I can call my own,
that ain't a Ford Cortina
or a mortgage on a home!" -
@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.
I am begging you to just make a web browser.
Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.
Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.
Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.
Please.
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@firefoxwebdevs I disagree with the premise.
@rowmyboat @firefoxwebdevs Yep. It's exactly what the parents of a toddler do when they want the child to feel like it has control. "You can have ANYTHING you want, so what's it gonna be, apple or banana?"
It's insulting
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@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Waterfox has pledged no AI and won't be accepting those bits. So has Zen.
@reflex @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante I meant can I respond to the poll. But i guess now I see the OP I see what I should do.
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@jaffathecake @davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs
brother what the hell are you even fighting for here lmfao
@TheEntity it's fair to say I dislike things being attributed to me that I didn't say & aren't true.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs While I understand some people actually appreciate translations, this part should be an extension. I don’t understand why you have to build it either.
To me, the translation part is just annoying. If I don’t understand a language I’ll find the content in a language I do. The translations are horrible (seriously) anyway. This also brings jobs to proper translators who know what they are doing (and understand context and culture).
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@TheEntity it's fair to say I dislike things being attributed to me that I didn't say & aren't true.
@jaffathecake Have you defended your e-bushido on the term killswitch yet
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany Das nenne ich mal eindeutiges Feedback
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@rose_alibi
i like the #firefox #translation because it helps make the web less US-centric by making international web more accssible.#firefox #translations actually respect privacy, as opposed to #googletranslate, so i can use them for the government websites that i don't always understand, because i'm not swedish speaker.
i don't get why this feature is lumped in with the privacy nightmare chat bots?
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@reflex @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante I meant can I respond to the poll. But i guess now I see the OP I see what I should do.
@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante lol I misread you sorry!
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs AI stands for absent intelligence. This applies to the software and most users.
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@jesterchen @duke_of_germany ah, I thought
was well understood to mean "I don't know/care, I just want to see the results". It's pretty commonly used, but clearly not commonly enough. Sorry!@firefoxwebdevs @jesterchen @duke_of_germany
Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slop
https://linuxiac.com/ai-controversy-forces-end-of-mozilla-japanese-sumo-community/
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I wished I saw this post earlier when the pool was open.
The translation tool is useful, I agree with everyone that pursuing AI (a term so overused that doesn't mean anything anymore) is a mistake. Opera is more known here than Firefox because is good browser, and so FF should.
However, the translation tool is quite useful tbh, I use it when I want to check something, better than opening google translate...
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs This is an example of why "AI" is bad terminology: it lumps together unrelated techniques, blurring them so that it's hard to argue meaningfully about the pros and cons because this pro applies to one subset , and that con applies to a different subset, and so on.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs Do you want Firefox to be full-featured, integrating translation and AI features in the core product? Or would you prefer that Firefox be just a web browser, with translation and AI features available via plug-in for those who want them?
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@firefoxwebdevs This is an example of why "AI" is bad terminology: it lumps together unrelated techniques, blurring them so that it's hard to argue meaningfully about the pros and cons because this pro applies to one subset , and that con applies to a different subset, and so on.
@kelson @firefoxwebdevs Yeah. Like a smallish neural net that runs locally and makes single-line autocomplete suggestions in VS Code? While technically the same fundamental technology as like ChatGPT, there's a difference of scale that's so big as to become a difference of kind.
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@firefoxwebdevs Do you want Firefox to be full-featured, integrating translation and AI features in the core product? Or would you prefer that Firefox be just a web browser, with translation and AI features available via plug-in for those who want them?
@jbayes @firefoxwebdevs newsflash Firefox: You make a BROWSER. A browser with a powerful plugin architecture. If you want to add things beyond core browser features, maybe use plugins! Why does all this need to be bundled into the core system at all?
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
Absolutly no AI -
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