Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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@davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs It's telling that you can't admit that you (deliberately?) misrepresented me to stir outrage.
@jaffathecake @davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs
brother what the hell are you even fighting for here lmfao
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@240185 I've already used the results of this poll to push for change in the AI kill switch. The feedback was massively appreciated.
@firefoxwebdevs @240185 Did you mention the overall dim view that users express at the prospect of losing their favorite browser to AI hype? Mozilla's problem here is far greater than "how should we implement a kill switch." How is Mozilla planning to restore the trust they've lost by employing deceptive patterns against their user base?
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Am I a firefox user if I use a derivative like waterfox?
@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Waterfox has pledged no AI and won't be accepting those bits. So has Zen.
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
"I want something
I can call my own,
that ain't a Ford Cortina
or a mortgage on a home!" -
@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.
I am begging you to just make a web browser.
Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.
Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.
Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.
Please.
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@firefoxwebdevs I disagree with the premise.
@rowmyboat @firefoxwebdevs Yep. It's exactly what the parents of a toddler do when they want the child to feel like it has control. "You can have ANYTHING you want, so what's it gonna be, apple or banana?"
It's insulting
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@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Waterfox has pledged no AI and won't be accepting those bits. So has Zen.
@reflex @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante I meant can I respond to the poll. But i guess now I see the OP I see what I should do.
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@jaffathecake @davidgerard @zzt @firefoxwebdevs
brother what the hell are you even fighting for here lmfao
@TheEntity it's fair to say I dislike things being attributed to me that I didn't say & aren't true.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs While I understand some people actually appreciate translations, this part should be an extension. I don’t understand why you have to build it either.
To me, the translation part is just annoying. If I don’t understand a language I’ll find the content in a language I do. The translations are horrible (seriously) anyway. This also brings jobs to proper translators who know what they are doing (and understand context and culture).
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@TheEntity it's fair to say I dislike things being attributed to me that I didn't say & aren't true.
@jaffathecake Have you defended your e-bushido on the term killswitch yet
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Let's ask the real question:
Firefox users,
do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?
@duke_of_germany Das nenne ich mal eindeutiges Feedback
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@rose_alibi
i like the #firefox #translation because it helps make the web less US-centric by making international web more accssible.#firefox #translations actually respect privacy, as opposed to #googletranslate, so i can use them for the government websites that i don't always understand, because i'm not swedish speaker.
i don't get why this feature is lumped in with the privacy nightmare chat bots?
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@reflex @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante I meant can I respond to the poll. But i guess now I see the OP I see what I should do.
@OliviaVespera @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante lol I misread you sorry!
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs AI stands for absent intelligence. This applies to the software and most users.
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@jesterchen @duke_of_germany ah, I thought
was well understood to mean "I don't know/care, I just want to see the results". It's pretty commonly used, but clearly not commonly enough. Sorry!@firefoxwebdevs @jesterchen @duke_of_germany
Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slop
https://linuxiac.com/ai-controversy-forces-end-of-mozilla-japanese-sumo-community/
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I wished I saw this post earlier when the pool was open.
The translation tool is useful, I agree with everyone that pursuing AI (a term so overused that doesn't mean anything anymore) is a mistake. Opera is more known here than Firefox because is good browser, and so FF should.
However, the translation tool is quite useful tbh, I use it when I want to check something, better than opening google translate...
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs This is an example of why "AI" is bad terminology: it lumps together unrelated techniques, blurring them so that it's hard to argue meaningfully about the pros and cons because this pro applies to one subset , and that con applies to a different subset, and so on.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs Do you want Firefox to be full-featured, integrating translation and AI features in the core product? Or would you prefer that Firefox be just a web browser, with translation and AI features available via plug-in for those who want them?
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@firefoxwebdevs This is an example of why "AI" is bad terminology: it lumps together unrelated techniques, blurring them so that it's hard to argue meaningfully about the pros and cons because this pro applies to one subset , and that con applies to a different subset, and so on.
@kelson @firefoxwebdevs Yeah. Like a smallish neural net that runs locally and makes single-line autocomplete suggestions in VS Code? While technically the same fundamental technology as like ChatGPT, there's a difference of scale that's so big as to become a difference of kind.
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@firefoxwebdevs Do you want Firefox to be full-featured, integrating translation and AI features in the core product? Or would you prefer that Firefox be just a web browser, with translation and AI features available via plug-in for those who want them?
@jbayes @firefoxwebdevs newsflash Firefox: You make a BROWSER. A browser with a powerful plugin architecture. If you want to add things beyond core browser features, maybe use plugins! Why does all this need to be bundled into the core system at all?
